Ben van Berkel: “I want to stay experimental”
Mr. van Berkel, what are you reading at the moment?
At the moment I’m interested in Eric Kandel, the neuroscientist. Kandel won a Nobel Prize for his neuroscientific research and he wrote a beautiful book, The Age of Insight where he talks about how in the Viennese cafés knowledge was shared between people like Klimt and Schiele and Freud. That is similar to my thinking. We should have a more global salon, where we can share ideas everywhere with everyone from different professions.
Is your work as an architect also concerned with bringing people together?
I always say that architecture is in the background because what we do as people, how we live, how we work, how we have our daily rituals are far more important. Architecture should support a particular kind of public construct in order to become more of a social machine. For me, the idea of hybridity is a sort of modern interpretation of functionality. If you are able to combine things that are functional with things that are experiential — you make more than just a functional building.
Wayne Coyne: “You get to be a bigger version of yourself”
Mr. Coyne, what has been your most liberating revelation?
Part of you doesn’t really realize just how cool it is not to give a fuck, you know? I am very concerned about like, “Is this working?” People are spending their money and giving us their time and all this sort of stuff…But not giving a fuck is a way of giving more love because you’re free. It lets you be more creative and dynamic and louder and more fun and sadder and everything.
Has it been a challenge to get to that point?
It’s hard, yeah. I mean, look, I probably would never have worn that muscle suit — this skintight Halloween suit that looks like muscles with tassels on my dick and all that, you know? You think, “This just looks too absurd,” but in the one way, it’s a costume. I get to be this character and it’s not really me. You really get to be a bigger version of yourself but you don’t feel so self-conscious because you’re in this suit… It saturates you more with who you are by being something else. It’s all an extension of you.